So do these machine log all the information of the others but just give user no access to this data?  How important is it?  I have a remstar m series plus and I just got off the phone with the DME.  He told me that I have basically 'the latest and greates' and it 'logs more information than you could ever want' and 'there are only 2-3 dr in the entire city who ever ask for this information'.  They said it doesn't make sense to go backwards.  

Can my DME download and print out the information?  Is the info just not there?

Your DME representative is full of horsepuckies up to the ends of the hair on his or her head. The M Series Plus is capable ONLY of compliance data, i.e. the number of hours you use your Plus, the number of nights you use your Plus, the total number of nights since you received your Plus and the total number of hours that Plus has been used - by you or anybody else.

The M Series Pro and other fully data capable CPAPs are capable of providing the above compliance data AS WELL AS your 90% Pressure, 90% Leak, AHI and AI and more.

If anyone is backwards here it is your ignorant or less than truth local DME provider representative. Furthermore the M Seriies anything is NOT the "latest and greatest" and it certainly isn't the "latest and greatest" Respironics device as Philipps Respironics has JUST come out w/the PR SystemOne series of xPAPs.

This local DME provider CAN download and print out information - the compliance data. That is ALL he can download from a Plus. Any further information is NOT there. Call his less than truthful bluff and INSIST that he do a download and printout of the information from your Plus and give you a copy. Those downloads are part of your medical records and as such you have a LEGAL RIGHT to them under HIPAA.

As to whether the Pressure, Leak, AHI, AI, etc. data is "that important" or not - that is totally up to you. Certainly, "I", and many others, prefer to have that data to determine how well we are doing or pinpoint the likely cause of any problems w/our therapy than having our sleep doctor adjust our therapy "by guess and by gosh" or by yet another expensive titration study.


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Thank you for your detail explanation.  I only say is it worth it since the 'authorities' say I don't need it.  I was just looking to see what others thought.  Excuse my ignorance.  
  Now that I have supporting evidence to what I originally thought (that data capability IMHO is mandatory for me) I will call them on Monday and get a different machine.  
Appreciate it Chohnie

Good luck, Sephiro! Personally, I don't think there should be anything BUT fully data capable xPAPs and I feel VERY STRONGLY about that. Your DME provider was probably right about most if not all your local sleep doctors not being at all interested in your data. There are a LOT of bone-head sleep "doctors" out there, but WE can use that data to prove to those knuckleheads that we do need some therapy adjustment - and w/some good self-education we can learn to adjust our own therapy IF NECESSARY. I PREFER to work WITH my sleep doctor BUT if he's going to let me down and not do his job .... so be it.


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"I'm confused why do you want this data?"  "None of the drs use it?"  "The remstar m series plus logs all the data."

Either what I have read is all wrong or my dme is clueless.  Going on wed to get a download and hopefully proof them wrong.

Sadly, it IS true, far too many sleep doctors don't look past the Compliance Data statistics. I"ve had one go into a long tirade how the xPAP data isn't as reliable, etc. as a full PSG. Those are the sleep doctors you dump as fast as you can unless they are at least cooperative about scripting the equipment you want.

No way would I EVER say that xPAP data is more accurate or discerning as a good RPSGT conducted PSG. BUT a PSG is reflective of ONLY one night of data in strange surroundings. Fully data capable xPAPs are invaluable in indicating TRENDS w/your xPAP therapy, collected whilst you are sleeping in the comfort of your own bed and familiar surroundings under all the NORMAL conditions you go thru and experience day after day. We just do NOT sleep the exact same from one night to the next.

And whoever said the Plus logs ALL the data is totally, irrevocably WRONG. It is capable of ONLY compliance data. AND compliance data has absolutely NO VALUE to you, or your sleep doctor if he/she has any REAL interest in your experiencing SUCCESSFUL xPAP therapy. Compliance data's ONLY value is to the provider to ensure that your insurance will pay them for your equipment.


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Resmed VPAP Auto. Humidaire 3i, Simplicity mask, ResScan 3.7, S8 ResLink, Embla oximeter.

Thanks again chronie.  If I do need a bipap I see two models on [Commercial link deleted].  Please revies posting guidelines  The m series bipap auto which comes with software so I assume logs everything and a m series bipap plus which doesn't indicate data.  I just wanna be prepared before hand so I can get what I want.

You're on the right track!! You are right, insist on the Respironics M Series BiPAP Auto w/Bi-Flex since it has been established that you need a bi-level. If you already have a Respironics M Series anything the integrated heated humidifier is compatable w/the M Series BiPAP Auto w/Bi-Flex and you won't have to buy another humidifier.

HOWEVER, IF you don't have ANY xPAP yet at all .... you might also want to consider the Resmed VPAP Auto or Resmed VPAP Auto 25.

All three are good bi-levels providing excellent therapy.


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I don't have the bipap yet I have cpap but my ent said if the face mask didn't work I might need bipap.  I kind of hope I do need one since then I can exchange my machine.  It does say at the bottom of the sales receipt that I can exchange within 45 days, but then the rental notice says I have 90 days.  The dme kept badgering me why I want the data and they can't understand why I care.  You know don't question my judgement.  YOU ARE THE idiot here, you dont' even know what your machine do and don't do.  She kind of said "you can't exchange it and you would have to buy a new one" in 'this told you' so kind of manner.  Sounds to me like she doesn't want to do the work since you 'don't need it'.  

I'm calling the administrative office at the hospital on Monday and I'm going to get clarification and if I'm right ask why they wont honor their own policies.

Did you whip your copy of the agreement out and put it under her nose and point out the 45 day exchange?? And the rental notice w/the 90 days exchange?? I'm such a nice, sweet person "I" would have!!!!


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Resmed VPAP Auto. Humidaire 3i, Simplicity mask, ResScan 3.7, S8 ResLink, Embla oximeter.

CrohnieToo wrote:

Did you whip your copy of the agreement out and put it under her nose and point out the 45 day exchange?? And the rental notice w/the 90 days exchange?? I'm such a nice, sweet person "I" would have!!!!

Don't worry I will be prepared.