I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

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I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby lulu329 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:13 pm

I am a 56 year old woman who has been diagnosed since 2009. I just had another study and found that my equipment needed to be reset to a higher number. Of course, I wanted to hear that I did not need it at all, LOL!

Anyway I have a Quantro FX and I am in between a small and medium sized mask. I have a small nose so I have to strap it on and I feel myself looking worse and worse. Any solutions ?
I was my face at night and use moisterizer, but it doesn't seem to be enough.Its like the weight of the mask is pulling my skin down. Any helpful hints would be appreciated.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby Emailyv » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:27 pm

Did your skin age only in the places where the mask sits?
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby lulu329 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:08 pm

sort of...well, we all know aging happens, but I never had a double set of parentheses before, so yes, around my eyes and it seems to tug at that skin. Is there a special moisterizer or something?
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby Laura3 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:25 pm

I've always been pretty fanatical about keeping my face moisturized, pre and post CPAP. I use Clinique dramatically different moisturing lotion first and then I apply Clinique Superdefense SPF 25 Age Defense Moisturizer over that. The Superdefense locks-in the "dramatically different" moisturizer. Not to brag, but I look younger than what I am. But on the downside, I recently read online a published scientific article stating that long-term hypoxia due to sleep apnea actually causes the aging process to slow (I believe it was the skin aging process). I was quite shocked at that, but there's nothing I can do about that now. I would much rather look my age or look older than I do than to have suffered any kind of brain damage I may have incurred from longterm sleep apnea.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby Emailyv » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:49 pm

It does cause the skin to age. I watched it first hand!
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby lulu329 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:18 pm

I am trying a a skin care system my dermatologist recommended and will report in. Also, I am talking to a friend of mine that owns a dive shop. Dive Masks and cpap masks are similiar, maybe there is something there.

Its my goal to try and solve this, because it really can ruin your skin and more and more women are getting diagnosed.
Why the sleep center practices don't at least have blogs about this is beyond me. It could be a huge marketing opp if they at least offer some suggestions.

I woke up today and I look like a prize fighter. dark circles where the mak hits and indents under that, one side worse than the other because I sleep on my left.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby locust78 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:29 am

Although I don't use it myself, a friend of mine on CPAP uses and claims to be getting good results from cocoa butter (the pure kind, not just a derivative).
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby robysue » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:33 pm

lulu329 wrote:I
Its my goal to try and solve this, because it really can ruin your skin and more and more women are getting diagnosed.
Why the sleep center practices don't at least have blogs about this is beyond me. It could be a huge marketing opp if they at least offer some suggestions.
Heck it would be useful if sleep centers provided any kind of meaningful support. Like how to deal with aerophagia, insomnia, mask leaks. Like why you need to insist on a full efficacy data machine and how to interpret the data. Like how to become and stay compliant even if you don't feel better in the short run.

I woke up today and I look like a prize fighter. dark circles where the mak hits and indents under that, one side worse than the other because I sleep on my left.
It sounds to me like your mask headgear and straps are WAY too tight. A few marks on the face aren't uncommon---but waking up looking like a prize fighter with dark circles under the eyes should NOT be happening. You might want to try a mask liner--that may allow you to loosen the headgear and still maintain a seal. Quality mask liners are sold by companies like Padacheek and Remzzz. Google them and you'll find some links. Or make your own by cutting up a soft, worn 100% cotton t-shirt. Cut the mask liner a bit bigger than the mask cushion and then cut a hole in the middle for your nose to poke through.

But if you can't seem to wear your current mask without tightening it so tight that it causes indentations and dark circles under your eyes, then this most likely NOT the mask for you. Try some other masks. Keep trying masks until you find one that works.

Dark circles under the eyes can also be caused by other things such as severe allergies and simply not enough sleep in the first place.
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AHI = 3.9 [AHI = (#OA +#CA + #H w/desat) per hour]
RDI = 23.4 [RDI = (#OA +CA + #H w/desat + #H w/arousal) per hour]
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby lulu329 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:19 pm

thank you for just confirming that the dark circles are not right, that's good info. I do have a mask with a forehead bar, maybe I should go back to that again. And yes, I do get congested sometimes on one side or another, thankfully not both. I will check out Padacheek and Remzzz.

Last night I guess I just took the mask off. I don't remember doing it but I woke up with it in my hand. Of course with a headache.

ugh, this is so not easy.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby painternc » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:52 pm

I agree that the mask affects your skin - actually the fullness of your face. Just like if you wear glasses all day for a long period of time you get permanent indentions on the sides of your nose - I believe the straps across my cheeks have flattened them. I have been trying provent http://www.proventtherapy.com/index.php for a couple of weeks. Haven't gotten used to it yet - so don't know. It works in the opposite way to the machines - but not straps or masks, etc. Here is hoping.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby hegel123 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:54 pm

I feel like I struck gold with Swift fx nasal pillows. The first nasal pillow brand that I tried didn't work. All of my face masks had some leakage and caused bags under my eyes. For me, nasal pillows THAT WORK have been a real blessing and have ended facial skin issues. Perhaps worth a try? Otherwise, as we all know, keep exploring new options until something works! It took me 6-7 months to finally dial in the right mask for me. P.S. I kept going back to Kaiser sleep center for help and they were terrific! And they didn't have the Swift the first two times!
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby seajay515 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:07 pm

How do you use lotions and creams and not have your mask leak!
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby zephyr » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:56 pm

I second the Resmed swift ...nasal pillow mask. I just added a chin strap to keep my mouth closed when I'm asleep.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby LauraNeedsSleep » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:53 am

The mask has definitely aged my skin plus it has caused me to have severe dry eye. I will be very interested to here back from the person who is trying the Provent Therapy. No matter which mask or nasal pillow I try I get a great deal of leakage. My skin around my eyes in particular is very saggy and swollen - makes me look 10 years older than when I started CPAP.
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Re: I feel like the mask is aging my skin, HELP!

Postby SolSionnach » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:20 pm

I've experienced the same thing - my face changes when I use my FFM. I'm also between a S and M Quattro FFM, settled on the larger one.
I use the padacheek mask liner because the plastic FFM pillow caused me to have contact dermatitis.
It's really hard for me to adjust that mask to fit properly, because if it's looser I get leaking at my eyes. :( and that bloody silicone nose thing that they gave me to help with that doesn't work with the padacheek.

I recently moved to pillows, in part because I was so unhappy with the way my face was changing with the FFM. I'm almost 55, and definitely aging, but since I've used CPAP the bags under my eyes are much worse, and the tissue compression on my cheeks was making my face sag. I'm hoping the pillows will help with that.

On the other hand, I feel SO MUCH BETTER (!!!) with CPAP that aging a bit doesn't freak me out. I *act* younger now!
Good luck!
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