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I have been reading this forum for a while but hadn't posted until today.

Thought I might jot down my experiences so far with OSA/CPAP. Who knows, it may help somebody. And if anyone has a miracle cure I'll be happy to hear it  Very Happy

I'm a 36yo male and I have always been tired to some extent. I just thought I wasn't a morning person. Had mentioned tiredness to doctors in the past but the most they would do was a blood test which showed nothing out of the ordinary so they said not to worry about it.

Then about February this year rather than just feeling tired, I was now completely physically exhausted all day every day (didn't build up, but came on virtually overnight). Doctor ran the usual blood tests which showed nothing that would cause it, and referred me to the sleep clinic at the local public hospital. Despite my symptoms not being typical the specialist at the sleep clinic thought I had sleep apnea and scheduled me for a sleep study - only a 2 month wait to get it done...

My symptoms were:
- non-refreshing sleep
- severe daytime tiredness/fatigue and physical exhaustion (despite not having done anything)
- poor concentration and extreme irritability
- insomnia (despite being tired and exhausted I couldn't get to sleep)

But I didn't have what are apparently the most common symptoms:
- I didn't snore (but I did breathe 'heavily' through my nose)
- I didn't have daytime 'sleepiness'. I was tired and fatigued but not 'sleepy'. I couldn't get to sleep during the day if my life depended on it. I scored a definitive ZERO on the Epworth scale which is a better result than in most people without a sleeping problem.

After the two month wait for a sleep study, it didn't go too well. First was learning that they will wake me at 5am to send me home as they need to clean the room for day patients (the facility was at a private hospital where the sleep study rooms are used for other purposes during the day). Then they tell me to try and sleep without taking a sleeping tablet. For a light sleeper who can't get to sleep early and had been on daily sleeping tablets for months, sleeping in a strange location with wires and stuff attached, add the pressure of trying to get to sleep so I can have enough sleep for them to analyse it... Not hard to guess that sleep didn't come easy that night. After a couple of hours tossing and turning they decide to offer me a sleeping tablet. They graciously let me sleep till 5.30am rather than 5, and I managed to get a total of one hour of sleep.

Of course the attendant was unable to inform me when sending me home if I got enough sleep for them to analyse. So I spend the next few weeks worrying that I'll have to suffer the long wait of getting another sleep study appointment and do it all again without receiving any treatment.

Amazingly enough the 1 hour of sleep seemed to be enough for the specialist to diagnose "moderate sleep apnea". All he does is book me for another sleep study, this time with titration. So 2 more months without treatment follow while waiting for the 2nd study.

On the night of the 2nd study they were happy for me to take my own sleeping tablet, I wasn't going to argue with them. Being more comfortable with the situation and not having as many wires and probes attached as in the first study (but with the addition of a CPAP mask), I was able to get 4 hours sleep before being sent home at 5am. Thankfully they gave me a prescription for CPAP at the time, so I went that day and hired one.

The pressure they prescribed was 8cm. But after 3 weeks of full-time use it was having absolutely no effect at all. Went back to the specialist who tried telling me I hadn't been using it long enough. I pushed him to ask what else I could do and he decided to increase the pressure to 9cm. He mentioned that even on CPAP my sleep quality wasn't too good, but he didn't seem interested in pursuing it.

Finally some relief! Not too much, but a little. After I think the second night on 9cm, I was able to get out of bed and have a shower straight away, rather than have to sit on the couch for an hour dosing up on caffeine to gather some energy. I was far from feeling good, but it was a slight step up from what I had been feeling for the past 6 months. I was still tired and fatigued all the time but most of the physical exhaustion had gone.

Went for another followup with the specialist who asked me if I wanted to try increasing the pressure again. I said I thought it was worth trying. So he increased it to 10cm.

But 10cm pressure didn't work any better than 9cm did.

I had to go back to my GP to get another prescription for sleeping tablets, and he thought it was time for me to stop taking them. I was actually able to get to sleep without them, but after 3-4 nights without taking one my apnea symptoms worsened considerably - the daytime physical exhaustion returned. Since then my progress (hence the effectiveness of CPAP) has varied from night to night. More chance of feeling better the next day if I take a sleeping tablet, but it isn't guaranteed.

A couple of weeks ago while having a restless night I heard a gush of air and realised that air was leaking out through my mouth (I use a nose mask). Since then I have taped my mouth up each night and the morning headaches (which I experienced most mornings) and dry mouth/throat (every morning) have both gone. But unfortunately it hasn't had any effect at all on the tiredness/fatigue/exhaustion.

My GP doesn't have any explanation for the sleeping tablet interaction and wants me to stop taking them, and I'm not entirely happy with the specialist I have been seeing (not to mention them doing sleep studies where they send you home at 5am), so I'm going next week to a specialist sleep centre - it's going to cost me, but I think I'd gladly sell everything I have if I could buy quality sleep.

Have been using CPAP for nearly 3 months now, but it's effectiveness varies from day to day between slight to none. I don't know if I need to do something different with CPAP, or if there is something in addition to sleep apnea which is affecting me.

Slight nasal congestion may be a contributing factor – specialist dismissed it without even looking into it, while GP has got me to try two different prescription nasal sprays, both of which had no effect.

There are probably other relevant things I have omitted. Yes, I am overweight – 100kg when I should be about 85kg. But the sudden worsening of symptoms earlier this year roughly co-incided with losing a couple of kg rather than gaining weight.

Other medical conditions which may or may not be related:
Blood pressure a little high in recent times. Cholestorol is borderline, but triglyceride levels are quite high.
Irritable bladder (frequent urination) – no infection or other known cause.
Gastro-oesophagal reflux – due to a pre-existing physical condition and under control with acid-reducing medication.

Hope I haven’t rambled on too much!


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sorry to hear our cpap isnt working!! i feel like i am obsessed with sleep apnea now!! i first went to my doctor 2 and a half years ago and only got my cpap 1 month ago!!! (long waiting lists in scotland) dont know if its working or not, i am a bit like you and think it might only help some nights!! I have been reading everything i can about sleep and one site i was on mentioned a thing about not your throat closing but that your brain just doesnt tell you to breath so you stop, then it wakes you up again.. i lost the site and cant find it again and dont know if this has a name but i am beginning to wonder if thats what i am doing!! sometimes when i am sleeping i am sort of aware of holding my own breath.... i am going to ask my doctor about this, maybe you should too. good luck Smile


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[quote="downunder"]I have been reading this forum for a while but hadn't posted until today.

Thought I might jot down my experiences so far with OSA/CPAP. Who knows, it may help somebody. And if anyone has a miracle cure I'll be happy to hear it  Very Happy

I had similar problems I use a full face as like you I get nasal congestion and all my life have breathed through my mouth, when I did the sleep study the doctor recommended a low pressure so the machine was set at 8cm, since bying my own S7 Autospirit I have it set to auto and as yet haven't had it drop below 11cm with the highest reading being 13.6.
My apneas have virtually dissappeared and I feel a lot more alert during the day. (I'm 59 by the way and living in Adelaide)
I would suggest you try a full face and maybe even a humidifier, I find some nights depending on the weather the humidifier is a bonus as it stops me waking up with a dryed up mouth.


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I have been reading everything i can about sleep and one site i was on mentioned a thing about not your throat closing but that your brain just doesnt tell you to breath so you stop, then it wakes you up again.. i lost the site and cant find it again and dont know if this has a name but i am beginning to wonder if thats what i am doing!!


That's central apneas- were you don't breath because of the brain 'forgetting' or the message somehow getting lost along the way. Everyone- even those without sleep related breathing problems- has a few central apneas...it can be common as you transition from one stage of sleep to another or as you are falling asleep- transitioning from awake to sleep. Having central apneas does not mean you necessarly have Central SLeep Apnea (CSA)- just like with OSA, you have to have enough events per hour to make the diagnosis. During sleep studies they can tell if you have central apneas and if they are something to be concerned about- a lot of time with OSA, central apneas can be a symptom, just as snoring can be and not a seperate problem of its own. Obstructive apneas can sometimes mimic central apneas in a sleep study so even if they do see a small number of central apneas along with a lot of obstructive apneas they are not typically anything to worry about unless significant numbers of central apneas continue once obstructive apneas are fairly well controlled with CPAP. There are also cases where you can have Mixed SLeep APnea- were an apnea starts out as a central then converts to an obstructive- they are usually taken care of with CPAP. Central Sleep Apnea (CSA) is fairly rare- I happen to be one of the unlucky ones with 60+ central apneas per hour. Here is a good link that covers OSA, CSA & Mixed Apnea- http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/sleep_apnea.htm


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downunder wrote:
I have been reading this forum for a while but hadn't posted until today.

Thought I might jot down my experiences so far with OSA/CPAP. Who knows, it may help somebody. And if anyone has a miracle cure I'll be happy to hear it  :-D

I'm a 36yo male and I have always been tired to some extent. I just thought I wasn't a morning person. Had mentioned tiredness to doctors in the past but the most they would do was a blood test which showed nothing out of the ordinary so they said not to worry about it.

Then about February this year rather than just feeling tired, I was now completely physically exhausted all day every day (didn't build up, but came on virtually overnight). Doctor ran the usual blood tests which showed nothing that would cause it, and referred me to the sleep clinic at the local public hospital. Despite my symptoms not being typical the specialist at the sleep clinic thought I had sleep apnea and scheduled me for a sleep study - only a 2 month wait to get it done...

My symptoms were:
- non-refreshing sleep
- severe daytime tiredness/fatigue and physical exhaustion (despite not having done anything)
- poor concentration and extreme irritability
- insomnia (despite being tired and exhausted I couldn't get to sleep)

But I didn't have what are apparently the most common symptoms:
- I didn't snore (but I did breathe 'heavily' through my nose)
- I didn't have daytime 'sleepiness'. I was tired and fatigued but not 'sleepy'. I couldn't get to sleep during the day if my life depended on it. I scored a definitive ZERO on the Epworth scale which is a better result than in most people without a sleeping problem.

After the two month wait for a sleep study, it didn't go too well. First was learning that they will wake me at 5am to send me home as they need to clean the room for day patients (the facility was at a private hospital where the sleep study rooms are used for other purposes during the day). Then they tell me to try and sleep without taking a sleeping tablet. For a light sleeper who can't get to sleep early and had been on daily sleeping tablets for months, sleeping in a strange location with wires and stuff attached, add the pressure of trying to get to sleep so I can have enough sleep for them to analyse it... Not hard to guess that sleep didn't come easy that night. After a couple of hours tossing and turning they decide to offer me a sleeping tablet. They graciously let me sleep till 5.30am rather than 5, and I managed to get a total of one hour of sleep.

Of course the attendant was unable to inform me when sending me home if I got enough sleep for them to analyse. So I spend the next few weeks worrying that I'll have to suffer the long wait of getting another sleep study appointment and do it all again without receiving any treatment.

Amazingly enough the 1 hour of sleep seemed to be enough for the specialist to diagnose "moderate sleep apnea". All he does is book me for another sleep study, this time with titration. So 2 more months without treatment follow while waiting for the 2nd study.

On the night of the 2nd study they were happy for me to take my own sleeping tablet, I wasn't going to argue with them. Being more comfortable with the situation and not having as many wires and probes attached as in the first study (but with the addition of a CPAP mask), I was able to get 4 hours sleep before being sent home at 5am. Thankfully they gave me a prescription for CPAP at the time, so I went that day and hired one.

The pressure they prescribed was 8cm. But after 3 weeks of full-time use it was having absolutely no effect at all. Went back to the specialist who tried telling me I hadn't been using it long enough. I pushed him to ask what else I could do and he decided to increase the pressure to 9cm. He mentioned that even on CPAP my sleep quality wasn't too good, but he didn't seem interested in pursuing it.

Finally some relief! Not too much, but a little. After I think the second night on 9cm, I was able to get out of bed and have a shower straight away, rather than have to sit on the couch for an hour dosing up on caffeine to gather some energy. I was far from feeling good, but it was a slight step up from what I had been feeling for the past 6 months. I was still tired and fatigued all the time but most of the physical exhaustion had gone.

Went for another followup with the specialist who asked me if I wanted to try increasing the pressure again. I said I thought it was worth trying. So he increased it to 10cm.

But 10cm pressure didn't work any better than 9cm did.

I had to go back to my GP to get another prescription for sleeping tablets, and he thought it was time for me to stop taking them. I was actually able to get to sleep without them, but after 3-4 nights without taking one my apnea symptoms worsened considerably - the daytime physical exhaustion returned. Since then my progress (hence the effectiveness of CPAP) has varied from night to night. More chance of feeling better the next day if I take a sleeping tablet, but it isn't guaranteed.

A couple of weeks ago while having a restless night I heard a gush of air and realised that air was leaking out through my mouth (I use a nose mask). Since then I have taped my mouth up each night and the morning headaches (which I experienced most mornings) and dry mouth/throat (every morning) have both gone. But unfortunately it hasn't had any effect at all on the tiredness/fatigue/exhaustion.

My GP doesn't have any explanation for the sleeping tablet interaction and wants me to stop taking them, and I'm not entirely happy with the specialist I have been seeing (not to mention them doing sleep studies where they send you home at 5am), so I'm going next week to a specialist sleep centre - it's going to cost me, but I think I'd gladly sell everything I have if I could buy quality sleep.

Have been using CPAP for nearly 3 months now, but it's effectiveness varies from day to day between slight to none. I don't know if I need to do something different with CPAP, or if there is something in addition to sleep apnea which is affecting me.

Slight nasal congestion may be a contributing factor – specialist dismissed it without even looking into it, while GP has got me to try two different prescription nasal sprays, both of which had no effect.

There are probably other relevant things I have omitted. Yes, I am overweight – 100kg when I should be about 85kg. But the sudden worsening of symptoms earlier this year roughly co-incided with losing a couple of kg rather than gaining weight.

Other medical conditions which may or may not be related:
Blood pressure a little high in recent times. Cholestorol is borderline, but triglyceride levels are quite high.
Irritable bladder (frequent urination) – no infection or other known cause.
Gastro-oesophagal reflux – due to a pre-existing physical condition and under control with acid-reducing medication.

Hope I haven’t rambled on too much!


Hi Downunder,

Wow, you are having a rough time.

Not in any order, I reckon the hypertension and raised trglycerides need attention. My Trygls are also raised slightly, but was told that it would be more worrying if I was female. Hypertension is linked to OSA, but also other conditions.

From what you have said, I think your GP is of little benefit to you. I don't know who your specialist is, but as you are in Sydney and the instigator/inventor of CPAP (Prof. Colin Sullivan) is still working in The University of Sydney Hospital, why not try a teaching or university hospital there and push for a place on a cancellation list. I believe that you need knowledgable help.

Daniel


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The untreated Sleep Apnoea sufferer died quietly in his sleep.......
Unlike his three passengers who died screaming !!!!!!

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Thanks everyone for your comments.

bwool - I'm already using a humidifier with my CPAP machine. Adjusting the humidifier level doesn't provide any benefit.

Daniel - my GP is good but lacks any detailed knowledge on sleep disorders. He did the right thing by referring me to a sleep specialist, but unfortunately that specialist was less than satisfactory. Earlier this week my GP found that my blood pressure was even higher than previously, so I'm now on blood pressure medication.

A visit to the new sleep specialist this week was very promising. He seems extremely knowledgeable and took a much more detailed history than any doctor I have ever seen. He is certain that sleep apnea isn't actually my main problem, especially as I'm not showing any benefit from CPAP after 3 months use. He sent me for a blood test checking insulin, hormones, etc. Hopefully the blood test shows something.

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