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Swelling under eyes

Postby coastie72 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:46 pm

About 3 months after I began to use CPAP 3 years ago, I started having swelling under my left eye. At first it was minor and would go down as the day went on. Eventually it got worse and it began on my right eye also. I did not think it had anything to do with the CPAP until I went out of town on a 3 day trip and forgot my machine. After those three days the swelling was nearly completely gone. I see my Family Dr. on a regular basis due to other health issues, diabetes mainly. I ask him about it and he said he had never had a patient with this problem and referred me back to my sleep Dr. He said it had nothing to do with the cpap, that it was probably allergies. I left mad and never went back to him. I had an eye exam and the optomerist found no problems. He also said it was probably allergies. So when I went back to my family Dr. he refered me to another sleep dr. This dr said that he had seen a few cases like this before. He had me try different mask and eventually put me on an auto bipap with heated humidifier. This did help me with my sleeping and dryness but has done nothing for my eyes. He now wants me to try a oral mask. I am desparte enough to try anything because I am sick of looking at myself. I am also tired of trying to explain my problem to others. I work with the public every day. Does anyone have anything to offer that might help. The swelling sometime is large enough to impair my vision, it looks rather bad.
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Postby Vicki » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:01 am

Hi Coastie,

This may be way off base, but I know that my tear ducts are more connected to my sinuses than most people. I can sometimes taste eye drops and when my CPAP goes on, I can sometimes feel the air cracking up through there. Is it possible that you have air going into your tear ducts causing problems?

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Swelling under eyes

Postby LittleMoreAwakeG1 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:54 am

Hi Coastie,
I´ve noticed I´ve had swelling or ¨bags¨under my eyes from what I believe is CPAP treatment. I´m not sure why or how to explain it. I´ve heard others bring this topic up on here but I´ve never quite come to understand how this happens or what to do to correct it. Someone once wrote to put a cold spoon on the swollen area and it will go down. I might try that method but it seems to me to just be a bandaid rather than a solution.
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Postby pauly » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:59 am

I have a friend of mine in the medical profession, and he told me that the "bags" under my eyes are caused from fluid build up. ie alergies or whatever the cause. If yours are returning to normal after 3 days, I can certainly understand why you might think it is the CPAP machine. (personally I think you are right, however the machine is causing you to retain the fluid) I might turn down the humidifier as low as possible to still derive a benefit from it and see if that helps. Or, try shutting the humidifier off if you can stand it. At least you might pinpoint if it is the cause.

I've heard of the cold spoon treatment, and cucumber slices as well. Even tea bags!!(herb tea)

Maybe as Vicki says, a tear duct issue.....
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Postby coastie72 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:41 am

Thanks for everyones post thus far. I have already covered all the ideas brougt up. The cold spoon, tea bags, and ice all will reduce the swelling. That is as one of you put it just a bandaid. As far as the humidifier, I have only been using it for a year and what allergies I had been troubled with the most, sneezing, runny nose have all but stopped. The humidifier has had no effect on the swelling. I realize that it is fluid build up. What I can't understand is why. Yes I am over weight, but I was before I started using CPAP, with no swelling around my eyes. I am just grasping at straws, it has effected me mentally to the point I am considering turning off the machine. When I first started using the machine it was such I relief to finally get some rest. Now I am weighing the benifit Vs. the terrible way I appear. Thanks, Coastie
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Puffy eyes too

Postby GeorgeW » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:05 am

Coastie, I completely agree with you that swelling can be caused by using CPAP. From my experience, like you, I never had swelling, or puffy eyes before. I started CPAP in August, and really haven't had the problem when using the Activa mask. That doesn't place much pressure against the face, and who knows, may allow fluid to drain and/or disperse normally.

Just to have something available for when I'm congested, I bought a F&P 432 FF mask. I can guarantee you that when I use that mask which requires higher strap pressure, I will have swelling. When I switch back to the Activa, no swelling. There may be those who label my comments as anecdotal, but hey, it works for me. As far as any cure once your eyes are puffy, I can't help. Mine go down during the day, but I agree, it looks pretty unsightly. If you do decide to try another mask, many have recommended the hybrid. That will keep the mask pressure away from your eyes and maybe the fluid buildup wouldn't occur. Maybe some hybrid users could comment... Could be worth a try. Good luck, and keep us posted.
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Postby lamplighter » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:09 am

What type of mask are you using?

It might be the pressure on the sinus from the mask that is causing this. Some people have said that they thought a leak in their mask close to the eyes would cause this. I have not experienced it myself. I am sure it is something to do with cpap or it wouldn't have disappeared when you went without it.

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Postby coastie72 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:26 am

Right now I am using a Mirage mask, I have used and still have the Activa. I have never used a nasal pillow or oral mask. All I know is I am getting more desparate every day. My sleep Dr. said to try a oral mask, my medical supply company called and said they would have to order it and suggested trying a full face mask on a 30 day trial before ordering the oral mask. So thats what I am going to try. I am running out of hope though. I really have no doubt it is related to the CPAP. I have seen the Hybrid on the web. I don't know what to do.
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Postby hhopper » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:42 pm

Cpap definitely can cause bags under the eyes. I'm almost scared to look at myself in the mirror when I first get up in the morning. I have bags and dark circles, not to mention the strap marks and mask marks. I have the strap pressure as low as I can get it without many leaks.
Everything clears up in an hour or so.
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Postby coastie72 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:13 pm

I wish mine would clear up. Now since it has been ongoing for 2 and 1/2 years are more. It is better at the end of the day, but now only slightly. It is hard for me to believe that I have been trying to find a solution for this for so long without results. It makes me feel like a freak not to mention looking like one. I am at the end of my rope on this, if my Dr. or someone hear can't help me soon I am going to just stop using the machine. I've already told my wife if I should die like this I want a closed coffin because I don't want her to have to try explaining why I look the way I do. Just sick of it!!!!!!!!
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Postby Jessica » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:33 pm

My bags are packed and I'm ready to go! I've assumed that the bags under my eyes that have gotten worse after CPAP were because 1, the full face mask pushes on my cheeks right under my eyes, and my nose right beside my eyes. And 2, sometimes tiny leaks get in my eyes when I move. I've also got eye boogars when I wake up now. I don't take this too seriously, because I ALWAYS had circles under my eyes. I thought it was due to tiredness, but I also have chronic sinus infections and allergies, so it could have been that. So now they're more puffy. It's not like I was a model before.
BUT! Cucumbers work WAY better than teabags. I've experimented with that. I tried a tea bag on one eye, and not the other, to see how well a tea bag really worked, and it worked pretty well. Then later, when I suspected that the cucumber slices were working better, I put a cucumber slice on one eye, and a teabag on the other. Cucumber won, hands down.
The other night, and this must have been attractive, I went to sleep with one of those gell eyemasks on, to hold on the half cucumber slices under my eyes, and my CPAP mask over that. <sigh> The things we go through.
Maybe the air is just blowing up the baloons under our eyes, you think?
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Postby coastie72 » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:53 pm

Hi Jessica, Wish I could take this as light hearted as you:) I am not trying to be attractive, way past that point. I am just tired of catching people staring at me when I am out for dinner. Tired of having to go through the whole story with customers on a daily basis. I have not tried cucumbers but I will. What I really want to find is a solution. I had many more issue with allergies until I started using the humidifier, that was a huge help for that. Mine sure look like baloons some days!
I really think it is fluid, because on my worse days my eyes water a good bit. Frustrated in SC.
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Postby hhopper » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:56 pm

My mask does not leak at all around the eye area. I think the pressure on your face from the mask is what causes the puffy eyes. Does anyone who only uses masks with nose pillows have puffy eyes in the mornings??
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Postby Jessica » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:58 pm

I agree with that, actually. I assume that if I were not using a full face mask, I would not have the puffy eyes.
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swelling around nose and eyes

Postby eldownard » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:36 am

Just wanted to let you know that I have just started on cpcp (on now 13 days) and have had terrible swelling of bridge of nose, eyelids and under eyes for the last 4 days. To answer a query about whether you should try a nasal pillow type mask, that is what I have and still swelled something awful. I just switched masks today so not sure what will happen with it --a comfort gel type that fits just around the bottom half of nose. So I guess tonight will tell. But wanted you to know that the nasal pillow type still causes swelling because the side straps go under the sinus cavities under the eye and cause pressure which I assume causes the swelling.
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