How Long to Pay off Sleep Debt?

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How Long to Pay off Sleep Debt?

Postby LittleMoreAwakeG1 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:31 pm

I realize this topic may have been covered in the past, but I nevertheless want to resurrect it. For anyone out there who seemed to suffer from ¨sleep debt¨ and recovered from it during CPAP treatment, how long did it take you to ¨pay back¨the debt and how did you know you finally paid it off? Was it gradual? What it sudden? Was it the consistency of having positive sleep experiences night after night that led you to think you´d achieved a new plateau?
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Postby hhopper » Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:59 pm

Is there really such a thing as "sleep dept" over a long period of time? I had immediate response to cpap. There was no "sleep debt" for me. I wonder if it's more related to the time it takes to get the cpap system, mask, hose, humidity, etc. working correctly. I would think that any "sleep debt" would be caught up with pretty quickly.

...Except maybe for problems that have been caused by lack of oxygen over a long period of time. Those might take longer to rectify. My blood pressure didn't go back down overnight. It took a few weeks on cpap. I guess there are other problems that might also clear up over time.
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Postby JeanInMontana » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:25 pm

People are mentioning sleep debt all over this forum, so I am convinced it must be real. I am also very interested in just how long until I feel fully awake all day. I still want a nap in the afternoons and I know I would sleep longer if I didn't have such a backache I have to get up. I also wonder if I should give in to the naps all the time and if I would get over the "debt" quicker if I do. I am going to need all the energy I can muster by the end of next week.

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Re: How Long to Pay off Sleep Debt?

Postby Daniel » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:32 pm

LittleMoreAwakeG1 wrote:I realize this topic may have been covered in the past, but I nevertheless want to resurrect it. For anyone out there who seemed to suffer from ¨sleep debt¨ and recovered from it during CPAP treatment, how long did it take you to ¨pay back¨the debt and how did you know you finally paid it off? Was it gradual? What it sudden? Was it the consistency of having positive sleep experiences night after night that led you to think you´d achieved a new plateau?


Pay back depends on a number of issues.

Sleepy Dave wrote an excellent article on sleep debt..........about 6 months ago. I can't seem to locate it. Suggest you search his posts.

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Postby auroragirl32 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:56 pm

hi....

i'm quite new to cpap therapy (about a week now) and i noticed the difference right away. i no longer fall asleep anywhere and everywhere, and i am now sleeping straight through the night. i do wake up with a very sore back and side from spending so long in one position, so it takes me about half an hour to really get going and work out the knots. but this is preferable to not sleeping. i hope your therapy does not take long for you to feel the benefits - it's like i woke up for the first time in years!! i have severe sleep apnea (about 76 episodes/hour), and i am so happy for the cpap therapy. good luck to you.

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Postby MimiW » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:15 pm

When I do sleep for a few hours at night, I feel better the next day. I can only seem to manage like three at a time, get up for an hour or so, back to bed and the mask and maybe a few more hours if I'm lucky. I'm Jean, I just can't seem to get by without the naps. I wish I could stop the naps and maybe I would sleep better at night. I probably could sleep all day, maybe should get a night job. I think that once you start sleeping 7 or so hour every night that the sleep deficit will go away.

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Postby JeanInMontana » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:33 pm

Well, I do sleep a normal nights sleep and still want a nap. Napping doesn't seem to bother me sleeping at night either, I'm still ready for bed at my usual time and I still sleep at least 7 hours. I have always been one to sleep 8-10 hrs if I had my way. I just wonder if giving in to the naps will help speed up the debt recovery or if it is more habit now? I gave in to the nap today and feel pretty good right now. The other day I fought the nap and felt like !@#! the next day.
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Postby hhopper » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:33 pm

I would think that if you have a "sleep debt" you would sleep a lot when you get your cpap and have quality sleep. I started sleeping much less. I used to sleep 12 to 14 hours a night, still have a hard time getting out of bed and be fatigued all day. Now I sleep 7 - 8 hours a night and wake up raring to go. I don't seem to be catching up on anything. I know that all people are not the same. This is just my situation.

Since I just got a new mask two nights ago, I have been really jump started! I feel like I'm wired during the day. It made a tremendous difference not having leaks. I almost feel like I'm on speed after all the years I was so tired. I think that a lot of people who are are not getting satisfactory results from cpap might just be having air leaks when they are asleep and not realizing it.

I really wish everyone could have the results I'm having.
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Postby JeanInMontana » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:04 am

Good for you HHopper!! I am thinking I might be having leaks more than what wakes me up or they are going on longer than I think. I don't know how to determine that for sure. #-o
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Postby hhopper » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:13 am

Look at how much water is used up each night. I discovered that when my mask was leaking, I would use up all of the water. And when it's not leaking, I only use less then half of the water.

(If you don't have a humidifier then this won't work for you.)
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Postby lamplighter » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:03 am

hhopper wrote:Look at how much water is used up each night. I discovered that when my mask was leaking, I would use up all of the water. And when it's not leaking, I only use less then half of the water.

(If you don't have a humidifier then this won't work for you.)


Really? That is interesting. A couple of night there has been hardly any gone and I thought I must not have turned on the humidifier, but most nights I drain the thing dry. On the weekends when I want to sleep longer I have to refill the tank again. I never knew that might be a symptom.

I heard one time that it could take up to a year to recover from sleep debt.
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Postby Will » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:22 am

While I didn't notice an immediate difference, it was only a couple of weeks for me before I felt noticeably better back when I first started CPAP (2000). It was always mask issues that caused me to quit using my CPAP, not the lack of results. Like hhopper, when I got my current mask (end of October) I felt significantly better after just a couple of days.

I'm not a doctor, but I question how much "debt" there can really be. I mean, if the CPAP is working as it is supposed to at the right pressure and with no leaks, I don't see how continued tiredness could be attributable to OSA after the first few weeks. Obviously some people continue to be tired, but I've always wondered if they didn't have something else going on as well in addition to OSA (central apnea? narcolepsy?). But again, that's just my uneducated speculation on the subject.
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The Sleep Debt is based on...

Postby TedG954 » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:22 pm

... what the Federal Nocturnal Reserve sets as a prime rate. Depending on the Euro Snooze, the Sleep Dept may rise or lower. Many sleep investors, as of late, have been securing Mexican Siestas and various trances from the Far East. If you just dabble in Sleep, as I do, don't worry about the debt. Just enjoy what your CPAP investment has to offer on a night to night basis.

;-) I hope this helps to explain ZZZ-Economics.
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Re: The Sleep Debt is based on...

Postby happypapper » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:36 pm

TedG954 wrote:... what the Federal Nocturnal Reserve sets as a prime rate. Depending on the Euro Snooze, the Sleep Dept may rise or lower. Many sleep investors, as of late, have been securing Mexican Siestas and various trances from the Far East. If you just dabble in Sleep, as I do, don't worry about the debt. Just enjoy what your CPAP investment has to offer on a night to night basis.

;-) I hope this helps to explain ZZZ-Economics.


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Postby JeanInMontana » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:21 pm

Ted are you a comedian in real life?? Hilarious stuff there, thanks. =D> =D>
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