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buteyko breathing for sleep apnea

Postby lynn543 » Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:59 pm

buteyko breathing is sometimes helpful for asthma but is now also being promoted in australia for sleep apnea and as an alternative to using a CPAP machine
I went to a lecture, its said that the apnea is the bodys attempt to reduce the excessive amount of carbon dioxide being breathed out
buteyko breathing involves shallow slow breathing to avoid this problem, but the buteyko practicioner wanted a lot of money to teach what seems to be a simple and easy to learn method of breathing
limited claims of apnea sufferers being able to discard their CPAP machines were given

it all sounds very doubtful to me, even if they are correct, I dont see how retraining breathing done while awake would alter breathing while asleep
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Postby Steve » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:52 pm

There's got to be something other than the machine. I've never heard of the breathing technique you described. One guy on the internet says that he's found the cure with singer's voice exercises. I sure would like to hear more about the technique you described.

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Postby Mike » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:12 pm

Steve wrote:There's got to be something other than the machine. I've never heard of the breathing technique you described. One guy on the internet says that he's found the cure with singer's voice exercises. I sure would like to hear more about the technique you described.

Steve


Steve,

We all would love to hear of a "cure" but unfortunately there isn't one. There are a LOT of people that will gladly take your money while you search for one tho.

The breathing technique mentioned has dubious roots, and is not considered a "cure" for asthma either (another condition that I have) The idea that a breathing technique will keep your airway from collapsing defies physics...

Do a search on National Jewish Center's website (they are the leading research facility for respiratory illness) you won't find buteyko. Do the same on the American Lung Association's site, same thing. Currently there is no evidence other than a study that was deliberately skewed that even supports any of the claims.

Personally I would rather wear a mask and take my asthma meds then die trying to prove some quack theory...

YMMV...
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Postby Jeff » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:43 pm

Well, sleep apnea obstruction occurs at the inhale, not the exhale, so the body is not hanging on to any CO2; its not allowing anything in! Sounds like a scam to me. If it's all that healthy someone in the health world would pick it up. Be wary of little known secrets being sold at high prices that promise to fix an ailment. Especially if none of the health world (or anyone else) seems to have even heard of them. If they claim a region or professional is using their technique, do some research on your own without their guidence. You should be able to find something without their name on it if it is legit.

I've heard snake oil will cure sleep apnea too. The pitch is just slicker for the modern person. It was considered pretty convincing in the 1800's as well.
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Re: buteyko breathing for sleep apnea

Postby Daniel » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:09 pm

lynn543 wrote:buteyko breathing is sometimes helpful for asthma but is now also being promoted in australia for sleep apnea and as an alternative to using a CPAP machine
I went to a lecture, its said that the apnea is the bodys attempt to reduce the excessive amount of carbon dioxide being breathed out
buteyko breathing involves shallow slow breathing to avoid this problem, but the buteyko practicioner wanted a lot of money to teach what seems to be a simple and easy to learn method of breathing
limited claims of apnea sufferers being able to discard their CPAP machines were given

it all sounds very doubtful to me, even if they are correct, I dont see how retraining breathing done while awake would alter breathing while asleep


I first came accross this approx. 2 years ago. Seems to crop up after TV promotions on chat shows and the like. I mentioned it to a sleep specialist who just laughed. I have never heard of any successes.
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Re: buteyko breathing for sleep apnea

Postby Mike » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:40 pm

lynn543 wrote:.... the apnea is the bodys attempt to reduce the excessive amount of carbon dioxide being breathed out
buteyko breathing involves shallow slow breathing to avoid this problem,


I just read that and thought how ridiculous that sounds... We breathe in Oxygen, and the by product is carbon dioxide. Why would any creature that lives off oxygen want to retain the by product of respiration?
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Postby Guest » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:17 pm

they claim that an amount of retained CO2 is essential and so breathing too much out causes problems
they clain successes with people no longer needing their CPAP machines, also say that the makers of CPAPs are hiding their findings, fearing loss of sales
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Postby Daniel » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:25 pm

Anonymous wrote:they claim that an amount of retained CO2 is essential and so breathing too much out causes problems
they clain successes with people no longer needing their CPAP machines, also say that the makers of CPAPs are hiding their findings, fearing loss of sales


Who are they?
I think the success of CPAP speaks for itself. There are no credible success statistics for buteyko breathing.


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Buteyko breathing

Postby Ken D. » Sun May 06, 2007 7:33 am

It is interesting to read the comments on this site. I have done the Buteyko course, I did this after spending a night at a sleep clinic trying to use a CPAP machine which I found very intrusive and nearly unusable. If anyone is worried about the cost of the course, it is half the price of a CPAP machine which may only last eighteen months. I have not been monitored again for the extent of my sleep apnoea but I no longer feel tired in the afternoon, my wife tells me my snoring is almost inaudible and I have more energy. I no longer have a short nap after I arrive home from work and I can actually do push-ups more easily at karate. I have only achieved a control pause of around 25 seconds which indicates I could improve more. I would not like to guarantee that Buteyko can cure sleep apnoea but in my case it has made a difference.
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Postby Mike » Sun May 06, 2007 8:07 am

As there seems to be a group of folks that want to promote a totally unproven "cure" (take another sleep study and PROVE that your breathing technique works!) I am locking this thread. There is no credible information showing any improvement for OSA with this technique, and it has nothing to do with the machine manufacturers, it has everything to do with the fact that it just doesn't work.
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