Additives in my humidifier's water?

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Additives in my humidifier's water?

Postby Gypseybelle » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:17 am

Another Newbie here. I have had my equipment for about a week now. I am still trying to find the mask for me, I have been soaking up all the wonderful information that is offered in this forum, thanks so much! I woke up Sunday morning with a flair up of my allergies acting up and very stuffy. I called Franchesca (RT) at my DME provider and she suggested adding a product to my humidifier water made for a steam vaporizer to help with my stuffiness. Has anyone had any experience doing this? She said a lot of her patients do it just because they like the smell. Thanks in advance. TES
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Postby Janknitz » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:53 am

Personally, I would NOT add anything to the humidifier. You're breathing that directly into your lungs.

When I was a kid they used to put aromatics into vaporizers but now that is not recommended because they have realized that small particles become aerosolized and are ingested into the lungs.

I have asthma, so I'm pretty careful about this, but I wouldn't want my perfectly healthy kids to be breathing any substances into their lungs either.

It might also be difficult to clean stuff out of your humidifier tank.
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Postby CrohnieToo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:45 am

Are you SURE Francesca is an RT (respiratory therapist)??? Its hard to conceive of an RRT recommending the addition of ANYTHING to the water used in a CPAP's humidifier. There is a REASON that the MANUFACTURER's recommend we ONLY use distilled water in our humidifiers.

Use your nasal sprays, use a Neti-Pot, use a nebulizer, etc., etc. but do NOT put anything but distilled water in your humidifier!
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Re: Additives in my humidifier's water?

Postby Daniel » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:01 am

Gypseybelle wrote:Another Newbie here. I have had my equipment for about a week now. I am still trying to find the mask for me, I have been soaking up all the wonderful information that is offered in this forum, thanks so much! I woke up Sunday morning with a flair up of my allergies acting up and very stuffy. I called Franchesca (RT) at my DME provider and she suggested adding a product to my humidifier water made for a steam vaporizer to help with my stuffiness. Has anyone had any experience doing this? She said a lot of her patients do it just because they like the smell. Thanks in advance. TES


You are getting very dangerous advice (dangerous to your health).......particularly from an RT. I would have to question her knowledge and 'interests' in recommending such action. Long term damage to your lungs may be done through the use of additives in a closed breathing circuit (XPAP).

Additives (essential oils, aromatherapy products etc) are NOT approved for medical use. Some are FDA Approved for COSMETIC use......They are designed for use in a well ventilated room, not a closed breathing circuit.

I even notice that one of the online companies who were big promoters of additives, have now placed a warning on their site regarding their use in humidifiers.

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Postby Gypseybelle » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:50 pm

Thanks everyone for the advice. I have not added it to my water, I have an appointment with my physician and DME provider tomorrow I will query them futher on the subject then.
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Postby MP3Daddy » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:59 pm

I would like to hear what they have to say. I was always told (like everyone else here) to only use distilled water. Not only are there possible preathing problems but I have been told that there could be minerals and such that would be in tap water and spring water that could reduce the life of the humidifier unit on my cpap.
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Postby janey » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:52 pm

only distilled water nothing else!!!!
i tried it and had the worst asthma attack i have ever had. 3 days of nebs 24/7 and other meds steriods. NOT WORTH IT !!!!!!!
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Postby Bearded One » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:50 pm

There is nothing that can be added to the humidifier water that is going to help reduce congestion. Inhaling vapors of volatile oils is not going to help anything. Vicks Vaporub and similar aromatic products are irritants that cause a cooling sensation in your nasal passages; this cooling sensation creates an illusion of being able to breath easier.

Saline nasal rinses or the occasional use of a decongestant such as Neo-Synephrine or Afrin are effective at reducing congestion.
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Postby SleepyToo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:16 pm

Just to emphasize what has been said before. If you add anything to your humidifier you are doing the same kind of thing that an anesthetist does - puts a chemical in your body that makes your body change. Do you have a license to do that? Do you really want to do that with your cpap blowing hard in your face all night? At least when you rub a vapor rub on your chest it will eventually evaporate and not be effective. The vapor rub will not work through the mask, anyway unless you have the air intake near your chest...

The concentration of the nasties in your humidifier will stay the same all night long. Do you really want any of that in your lungs where it could be the irritant that triggers your asthma, or COPD, or mucus production (eek!)? Not a good scene, man!

Just do what BeardedOne says - rinse with a saline rinse. Make sure you empty your sinuses out before you put the mask on (you might need to lie down to empty them properly). Fill your humidifier with nice, clean, distilled water, put your mask on. Lie down and go to sleep with that nice clean air filling your lungs. Your body will thank you for it in the morning!

Oh, one other thing. Those chemicals you put in the humidifier may damage it. Can you afford to replace the humidifier? Insurance probably won't cover it if you put anything other than distilled water in it (other than briefly to clean it).

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Postby Gypseybelle » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:15 pm

Again thanks everyone for your replies, I was uncomfortable with the suggestion to add the Vicks to my water so I never did and don't plan to in the future. I am still curious to see what my MD has to say about it and will update everyone with his comments tomorrow after my visit. I am going by the DME to try on different mask as I am having trouble finding one that suits me, the RT that gave me the suggestion is not going to be there but I will ask about it anyway just to hear what they have to say.
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Postby Bearded One » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:51 pm

If my MD, or other anybody else, ever said that putting Vicks in a CPAP humidifier was an OK thing to do; that would be the last time that I would trust them for advice.
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Postby Vicki » Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:57 am

Here is my 17 page most famously read post on sinus irrigation, from me, the queen of snot. I have severe allergies too and had my sinuses unfortunately roto routed back in 1993. Now I have to irrigate my sinuses daily since my nose is not very functional anymore. Do you use prescription nasals spray? That is something I have to do daily as well.

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Postby Gypseybelle » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:37 pm

Sorry I didn't post yesterday after my Dr visit like I had intended. I had a very long day and I didn't get to sit down until very late but that is for another forum LOL.

My appointment went very well. The Dr is pleased with my progress so far with therapy. I found out from him if the cpap therapy doesn't help my daytime sleepiness issues I may have a form of narcolepsy and might have to undergo more testing. So far cpap seems to be helping!

Now for the vicks question. He told me that he did NOT recommend adding it, he stated that the camphor was an irritant to the mucus membranes in the respiratory tract. He recommend the gel saline and to up my humidity to see if that helped with my bleeding sinuses. I didn't ask the DEM provider anything , the girl who told me to add it was out on sick leave.

Thanks everyone!

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Postby Gypseybelle » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:03 am

Vicki I had already found your advice about irrigation, it is great advice. I have used nasal irrigation before and have even gotten a coworker hooked on it. I work in the basement of a hospital and our office sometimes "leaks" when it rains so I am sure we have mold spores floating around even though they have tested our air quality and tell us all is well. I am sure this could be a big part of my sinus issues. TES
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Postby Gypseybelle » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:04 am

I forgot, the Dr said I might like a mask called "SleepWeaver" it is a cloth cpap mask. Has anyone used it?
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